Talk:Wraith

Okies, quick question, can Vampires, Lycans, Undead, Liches, Revenants, and maybe even other Fiends become Wraiths, and can Wraiths and Fiends have Children? Crimsona 23:12, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

• Any "normal" race can become a wraith. Liches, Revenants, and Fiends are not a "normal" race in Hollow. Fiends create wraiths even. But vampires, lycans, undead, etc. can become wraiths. And no, wraiths cannot have children. --Vuryal 10:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I think that all of this would work out quite nice. But, I was also thinking that aging would probably stop for adults but -maybe- a child wraith wouldn't stop growing until it was at least a teenager. I also figure that with pale skin, it would get a greyish look, and that you might have black rings under your eyes for a while. That and I think it would make sense that if you were a lycan or any other shifting creature that you could still shift forms... But those are all just my opinions! ^_^ --Niawtu 01:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

• Eventually, the lycan/shifter would come to realize that their wraith form is superior, so they would choose between one and become that as a wraith. As for aging, it would be open to the player if they wanted to age. And as for appearance, again, I think the player could decide if they want to show in a different manner or not. But, totally open to input. --Vuryal 17:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

• • It might be rather neat to see child ones -not- age. Nothing says warped and macabre quite like children that have been turned (look at Claudia in Interview with a Vampire). There is just something so very wrong about innocence being corrupted to such a point. :P But that seems more like a player's choice. Just my opinion. Satoshi 18:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

They bend light around themselves, correct? I see two reasons why this makes for a rather impractical "invisibility":

• A) Bending light does funky things to the objects the light is coming from. Looking right at a wraith would be like looking into a telescope or some other sort of lens. Bit of a giveaway there as to where they are.

• B) If you bend all the light around yourself, what's hitting your eyes? They would be rendered entirely blind while "invisible", and again the bending-light effect would leave them easily spotted by anyone more observant than a hunk of cheese. --Jedediah 22:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

• • The concept was more of like the predator (from the movies). They bend light about them/cloaking/chameleon like. They can see the light just fine, it just reflects differently off of their skin. --Vuryal 22:49, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
    • So we can still see their eyes? --Jedediah 22:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
    • I don't think anyone is that interested in minor details such as thier eyes needing light, so the eyes couldn't be invisible. It's a realm of magic, I'm sure magic can make it happen.

• • • Seeing their eyes? No. But that is getting way down into the weeds... --Vuryal 00:35, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Creation Questions

Okay, so the only question to come to mind is this: Can a wraith be created from the blood of another wraith, or must their be a fiend? Like, if the original fiend didn't want to use his blood, or their was a free wraith, would a wraith be able to create more wraiths?

Just curious, and you did say to ask questions. ^_^

• Only fiends can create wraiths. --Vuryal 00:59, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

What are they?

I just got confused by somebody about this whole race thing, which isn't so good since my character is icly Vuryal's guinea pig. Are Wraiths a form of undead? Cuz, if that's so then aging would stop... You can see my delema about this.--Niawtu 01:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)--Niawtu 01:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

• That could be discussed. Most likely, yes, they would be a form of undead. However, being as this is our game, we can decide if that means the aging stops or not. --Vuryal 10:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

• In my vision, they wouldn't "necessarily" have to be undead and their soul wouldn't have to be "gone", I had imagined something more along the lines of a creature who has been infected with such a level of darkness, that the evil has "locked away" their soul, leaving only a defiled and altered shell behind. Almost like a parasite of evil, it infects the host and changes it forever. ~ Tiphareth 12:01, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

• • in fact, I got the impression that they become paraphysical, and therefor have that resistance to normal weaponry? not entierly ghosted up. but more then partially. Like they're just baerly there. As if the darkness has infected to soul and sort of -eaten- the body? leaving only a.. well.. wraith of what they once were. A very powerfull shadow of what was once a person. You know? ~ Veriun 29 August 2011

• • • Tiphareth would be closer in that they are turned completely evil, infected and changed forever. They could still have a soul, yes, but a very dark one at that. And yes, the would have some resistance to normal weaponry, to the point that if someone of the dark arts or a cyromancer, for instance, were to attack them, it would have less of an impact. However, the reverse is also true, as in holy magic and fire would have a greater impact upon them. Weapons like swords and knives, bows and arrows would be hampered by the wraith's ability to "cloak" itself, thus you might be swinging wildly about or aiming at the wrong thing in that regard. But, it would still hurt them the same if they were slashed or impaled. The greater the wraith's ability, the longer it can sustain it's "cloak" ability and with greater control. A wraith sovereign, for instance, could be "cloaked" almost entirely for its life if it so chose. How can you hit what you can't see? --Vuryal 00:35, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I think that depends, Vuryal, on how much evil emanates from them. If you're a powerful mage, or a divine paladin/priest, I think you'd be able to sense where they were quite accurately. If you're a sword swinging warrior, unless you're trained in fighting blind, you'd have a lot of issues. -- But yes, if they don't emit any evil at all, they would be hard to fight. But if they are the epitome of evil, as they're portrayed, I think it would be less difficult for players to find them. - Svil.

• True. I would suspect someone trained to spot such evil (paladins, other dark mages, perhaps some druids) would know they were there, but not necessarily be able to "see" them. Sort of like that ominious feeling that something is there and that you should really do something about it. --Vuryal 11:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

• • considering that the cloaking is actually a cloak of invisibuility (and also not entierly gone as it's more a chameleon thing then a true incorpreal thing) there are alot of ways to spot then. If you've got DAMN good eyesight (which would be almost on the verge of godmodding unless your eyes are magically enhanced somehow). Aeromancy ('feeling' with the air as they move and such) Terramancy ('feeling with the earth') Psionic awareness ('Spotting' their minds so to say). But that's not necisarrily a bad thing. It is still difficult to fight something you can't see propperly as you can't tell exactly what it's doing. You could swing at it, even if you knew it's position, but miss because you do not know it's posture. I think this makes for a fairly limited yet very respectable power as it is not to be underestimated, but far from all-defeating. From what I see of all this... Becoming a wraith adds cloaking and magical power. But weakens you physically and makes you vurnarable to fire and holy. ...I'm liking this so far. Fair amount of power for a fair amount of backlash. --Veriun

• • • Exactly. There are pros and cons to it. Some people like being stronger magically and having a "special" effect. But, there is a con to it. Whole new ball game. My intent wasn't to make some godly, but something different from anything on Hollow right now that will need some "experimenting" before it becomes widespread. Thus why Vuryal is the only one that can create them. :) --Vuryal 13:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)