Talk:Vampire

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To be born a vampire, AKA, to be a vampire of "full blood" *cough; ridiculous notion* admin should strictly control these characters who are allowed to RP this. Take Tetsumi, (no offense to the player, but obviously very strong to my main point) she can't be anywhere without putting down any other vampire in the room by calling them a fledgling. For some unknown reason, being a full blooded vampire makes her think she is a God among mortals and automatically better than anyone else. (Mostly among vampires but who wouldn't be surprised if it stretched so far as to other races as well?) This is really no better than any other form of god modding. If people can't understand it's a title change only (they are not incredibly powerful, ultimate beings by being born into vampirism) then they should not be allowed to RP it. Really, what is the difference to anyone if they are born or sired? It is a little detail that some people think to be everything. In my opinion, no one should EVER be allowed to claim being born vampire unless they are people from Kaizer and Solaris' time or important characters to some important RP. (which no one is, my point) Tetsumi or any other "pure blooded vampires" will not die if they are told they can't RP that garbage anymore. I mean what does it REALLY add? You have people saying, "I'm better than everyone else." basically. I just think left in these people's hand it is something that is easily abused, therefore should be eliminated altogether.

The whole concept of a 'pure blooded vampire' came out of the nonsensical creation of the race rules. Vampires in hollow's past had no problem breeding quite normally, and the creation of that new rule has created a gaping hole in Hollow's canon. Also, NO ONE should be claiming to be descended from the first vampires. No one here has Eilan's permission to do that I believe, nor should it be granted. If you want a stronger vamp than normal, do some work for it. ~Rheven

Ah yeah, I missed that part as well. Really people are getting away with all sorts of ridiculous RP's. I sort of forgot that none of the admins are ever around though (Maybe they should have more if the one's we have now -aren't- enough?) Sorry, just venting at this point because Hollow is quickly degenerating for like the 7th millionth time and I'm getting tired of seeing the nonsense jumping around.

Whatever. Hopefully an admin who cares will come by and try to clean this mess up?

~Vinc

NEW DISCUSSION - Changes made on 11/4/08: Sub-race of Pure Blood and Sired/Common and Elder added.

This is about people who RP playing a very old character, ie wise, strong, experienced, all that, yet their appearances are always described as youthful and in most cases never passing the twenties. Can there be a rule that forces people who want to play a character who's lived a long time that they absolutely must RP it with an appropriate age appearance? We can't allow people to keep having this multi-faceted uber character who is both wise and experienced, and perfectly youthful. It's a major contradiction and cliche'. ~Vincent (didn't know where else to put this.)

One solution that might not be too difficult to do, other than a bit of programming, and I think the basics are already in the system. Just like you can have rooms that automatically take gold or an item from characters, have rooms that automatically take HP from vampires - IE "Daylight". Just do it as a set amount, maybe 100hp per move, or 1000, or whatever the admins deem appropriate. That also allows older vampires the ability to survive daylight briefly, as they can take the punishment. Oh, and if possible, make it non-healable except by time. (Not sure if that's possible.)

It would be limited to outdoor locations, during Hollow-time's daylight hours. As a consideration for new vampire characters, shunt them to the HCT after creation rather than the Kelay Tavern.

This would actually force vampire players to acknowledge the single largest drawback to being a vampire. Right now, of course, except for the dedicated RPers, they go wherever they want, whenever they want.

One drawback to this is that it's enforcing a drawback on one race, without also enforcing drawbacks on the others. Lycans and silver, maybe? Giants, Ogres, Centaurs, Trolls, etc and small spaces? And so on, and so forth. Orcs and good hygiene? (Sorry, couldn't resist)

I won't deny that this is pandering to my personal preferences a bit. I would like to see the game enforce RP restrictions within the game structure. But this is just my personal preference, and not necessarily the preference of the designers or the players. - Cyllarus

Sunlight isn't supposed to effect hollow vampires and 100hp (or 1000) per move is going to be ridiculous. And some people never stat so that would definitely create alot of frustration. I'm against anything that takes time because I know I myself don't spend my life on a single character. You should be able to jump into Hollow like any other race and have fun the way you see fit.

Also, I didn't mean for my above post to pertain only to vampires but I left it here maybe because vampires are the most prominent offenders.... either way, I think a simple enforcement would fix this problem. If you want a young character they should be reflected as that in all aspects. If you want father time, an experienced mage character, he shouldn't be the epitome of youth and vigor. He's going to have a long white beard, and scruffy eyebrows, and wrinkles. Yes. Many wrinkles. Anyway my point is age should be reflected appropriately....I don't think it'd be too hard for admins to enfore. (And if it is they should enlist for help. duh)

Sunlight does not, and has never, harmed vampires in Hollow. There is no reason for it to, other than adopting some cliche vampire story traits, which isn't a benefit to anyone. They have enough weaknesses as is, and if they add another crutch on vampires, who are unfairly demonized to begin with, well, that's just ridiculous. The Hollow canon regarding vampires already resembles a sieve; lets not tear more holes in it, eh? ~Rheven

I had missed that Hollow's vampires were not affected by sunlight. I had thought that the single most common trait in vampiric lore aside from blood sucking might still be there. Apparently not. Consider my suggestions null and void then. I can't find the formatting code for striking out text, or I would do so.