Talk:Lycanthrope

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If we're discussing lycans, I'd like a more solid list of how to interpret them. Being that I was helping to start up a solid wolf-lycan pack, and have encountered a curious number of differing interpretations on just what a 'lycan' is, in any form. Also, silver. What exactly does it do? And, is anyone else out there interested in such a lycan-wolf pack? Still trying to get it up and running :P

• Odette
  • I guess it would really depend on what you wanted to play your character like on what silver will do. Though, to be honest, I'd think that having silver in the blood stream could kill a lycan, just because it's bad for them. Some people rp it as an itch or a burn, but if it stay inside them for too long a time, I'd think it'd be detrimental to their health and eventually kill them.
    • I guess there could be a small weakness part underneath their physical aspects to say what silver does, or can do, etc.
    • As one of those times looking, it says that vampire blood is a lycan's weakness, what's it do? Does it make them sick and weak or does it attack their lycan virus and make them weaker in some way?
  • It seems like lycans can be anything, as long as it's an animal? (By what the psycology part says). Perhaps the animals should be a little more fleshed out, or left alone? It does say hawks there, but I'm not sure how many people would actually approve of that one.
  • It also says that lycans can come from being scratched or bitten. I don't really like the scratched idea that much because anyone can accidentally scratch you, or do all those traits only happen when someone's in their animal form?
  • What can become a lycan?

More on this subject of what Lycans can be. It should most certainly extend to all animals with a spine. Predators without a doubt. Perhaps RP approval for prey Lycans (rabbits, squirrels, etc.). Mostly because prey animals would usually wouldn't spread the 'disease' very much. Also I think the issue of animals contracting the 'virus' should be left open. A wolfwere should be as open as a werewolf. -Cuki

• Odette
  • If contracting the virus is open, then how is someone supposed to know that they don't want it, or don't want to rp getting that? It's easy to not become a vampire, since people know how they're sired, but what about a lycan? There seem to be a lot of ways.
  • Also, prey animals can give diseases just like any other animal. If it's contracted by a bite, what scared animal wouldn't bite someone? People also contract rabies, in real life, from squirrels because they're bitten or scratched, or something, why not the lycanthrope virus that way, too?
  • I like the idea of virus races like these to be taken off and all, because anyone can become one at any time, with rp or barely with any.

That is suppose to be the point. You don't know until the next full moon. Sorta like an pleasant surprise. Only not. It might be something you have to agree with OOCly, but ICly it could very possibly be something your character does not want. As for the prey. I suppose the difference would be that it would be less likely for you to contract it from a prey animal/Lycan for several reasons: less likely (but not impossible) to attack, don't go hunting for meat, more likely to run away, great chance of prey animals be killed outright, etc. Things like that make it significantly less chance of taking place.

• Odette
  • Prey
    • Prey like animals pass on rabies to other people all the time. Why is it so different if they pass on some virus that's done in the same way?
    • Prey like animals are also hunted because they're prey like animals, which would mean that they'd bite or scratch things that are trying to come near them or do happen to catch them. Any cornered animal is bound to attack.
    • If prey like animals are more likely to run away, then them being killed, outright, is a contradiction. Anything can be killed, but most animals are going to put up a fight before that happens.
  • Are lycans allowed to change at anytime, or only at a full moon/at night?

Damion:

Several things I want to put here and a few questions

Firstly, I am soon going to be switching (back) to a lycan character, and I do intend on joining a pack as well, as soon as I can.

I agree that a predatory animal would be more likely to pass along the virus, particularly in things like random duels, so the opponent of the lycan is likely to be bitten or scratched, but by the rules of a DD is not killed, their fore contracting the disease.

Also, I agree that a scratch should not be a viable means of transport of the virus. Viruses are spread through the exchange of bodily fluid, and fingernails, or wolf claws, I suppose in this case, do not have any fluid on them or in them, unless the lycan happens to be bleeding or something at the time of the scratch. Teeth on the other hand always have saliva on them.

I have a question though that I am not sure has occurred to anyone, but lycans can obviously be any sort of mundane animal, i.e. were-wolf, were-deer, were-hawk, etc, but can lycans also be non-mundane animals? As in were-manticore, were-cerebus, or were-dragon? I think that perhaps this sort of lycan would open up a lot more variety, and more powerful breeds. Not to mention it could make quite a few interesting RPs.

On the subject of silver, I think that its effect should be expanded somewhat from what it is currently RPed as. Lycans tend to be a fairly powerful race, sence they have the option of being some sort of spell caster in their human-esque form and a fairly powerful fighter in their animal form. They have the best of both worlds. This of course can be kept in check by correct RPing, not giving your character unlimited power, but you cant always expect people to do that, and making silver have a mandatory strong effect on them puts some checks on things.

And also, since there are multiple breeds of lycans, could someone contract different forms of the virus? As so say, could some one be born a were-wolf and perhaps also be sired a were-chicken? This again gives lycans a little to much power, since it gives the player a choice to pick and chose what ever he wants to be, but then again its no different than someone playing a shape-shifter character with several different forms, or a dragon character having the ability to turn into human like forms and half human like forms, as they often do.

and finally, I think the moon should give a strong urge to change, particularly to sired lycans who have not yet gained a hold on the change. Born lycans, as is my understanding, can change at will and can resist the change during the full moon, but like I said, have a strong urge to change, hunt, kill, etc. This is just how I have always played, and I’ve played three lycan characters in the past, it seems logical to me.

• Rhocielle
  • Regarding born lycans, I was wondering how extensive their permanent animal traits would go? Is it only limited to a tail and ears? Or, like some of the feline characters, could be extended further to say that some born lycans could permanently be in a lycan form for whatever reason of their genetic curse? It would seem to me that lycans in a permanent form would equally be inclined to have greater control of their more primal urges to kill and feed, or be that much more vulnerable to it, given that it is all they known.
  • As it is a common statement that a full moon brings about change or a stronger desire to change for lycan characters, is there a way to tell what phase of the moon is in Hollow, or is up to us to RP when the next full moon is, at this time?
  • As Hollow has in fact two satellites, as described here: http://www.hollowgame.com/wiki/Astral_Bodies , how does that affect our common belief in the ties between lycanthropy and the full moon, or moons, in this case?

• Cyllarus
  • I would also like to repeat one of the questions above, what PC races can contract the virus? I have been playing Cyllarus as if centaurs are immune to it, being rather distantly related to normal bipeds. The only races farther out are dragons and prekleks and dryads. The others can be seen as fairly similar to humans, and thus still vulnerable to the virus, although a giant or ogre with the virus is a scary prospect.
  • Also, is it possible to cure someone who has been infected? For instance, if the wound is immediately treated with a creme containing silver and wolfsbane or something, can the infection be stopped before the curse completely takes them? If so, how long do they have before they are permanently afflicted?
  • I talked with Ryeanna, and here is her initial response:

You told Ryeanna, "ooc: oo, I was thinking about hmailing you. Last week I posted a question on the Lycan page in the wiki as to what races can be infected by a Lycan bite. I don't suppose you know the answer, do you?"

Ryeanna told you, "ooc: That's a good question. I think vampires and dragons are defintely a no and probably dryads, preks,felines, pixies and undead too."

You told Ryeanna, "ooc: I can see all those. How about centaurs? Trolls, ogres and giants you can make arguments both ways for also."

Ryeanna told you, "Centaurs yep (If we allowed that they'd look pretty odd). Trolls regenerate so they're a no. Ogres and giants would be ok I think."

You told Ryeanna, "So centaurs are immune to it? Or no? Cyll did get wounded by one, but I rp'd it as if there wasn't an infection. But if he's vulnerable to it, he'll be a bit more cautious in the future. ;)"

Ryeanna told you, "ooc: I'm pretty sure they are but would need to check what the others think."

• • • I'll agree with what Ryeanna and Cyllarus have said of those not in danger of infection and turning lycan ~ Rhocielle (Lycan)
  • I would tie the Lycanthropy/Moon connection to the moon of Arh'Nuk. It is roughly the same size as our Earthly moon, while the other one is approximately the size of Mars (aka very small), and very erratic in it's pattern.

This is tentative until the admins weigh in for sure. The Probable categories are races I am fairly certain the admins would accept as Immune or Vulnerable. The Possible lists are those I am not sure what they will decide, but it is where I would place them. And the Draconians are a mystery. --Cyllarus 17:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

• Races Probably Immune to Lycanthropy
  • Avian, Dragon, Dryad, Feline, Pixie, Preklek, Troll, Undead, Vampire
• Races Possibly Immune
  • Centaur, Fermin, Naga
• Unknown
  • Draconian (dragon half may make them immune, but non-dragon parent may make them vulnerable)
• Possibly Vulnerable
  • Giant, Goblin, Minotaur, Ogre
• Probably Vulnerable
  • Drow, Dwarf, Elf, Gnome, Half Elf, High Elf, Hobbit, Human, Orc, Shadow Gnome

Published to Lycanthropy Curse

• Soltinn

I was wondering about the class restrictions. If a lycanthrope can be just a diseased human, why is there a limit on the classes he/she can be? It should be open to all except maybe paladin, given that lycanthropy is often seen as evil, or at the very least, chaotic in nature. Can we change this?

• Cyllarus (this was the response to Soltinn by hmail, putting it here for all)

Think of it as a matter of game balance. One of the draws for Humans is that they have so many choices available to them. If the comparatively superpowered Lycans had all the same choices available, there is less reason to play a plain human.

Cyllarus, I cannot add [[Category:Hollow Lore Manual]] because this page is locked.